Important question

[mousehunter22]

Does anyone know if the whitespot parasite can survive the ammonia,nitrite,nitrate cycle of a tank??????

[Tetley]

Hi Lee,

At a guess yes, but Zeus is the man in the know.

Why you asking M8? - got something in mind?

ATB

[mousehunter22]

Hi Lee,

At a guess yes, but Zeus is the man in the know.

Why you asking M8? - got something in mind?

ATB

Yeah im that bloody sick,ive lost nearly all my fish AGAIN!!! so i was gunna re cycle the tank again in an effort to kill all the parasites,its either that or give in and get rid:(

[Tetley]

Hi

Dont pack it in M8. :eek:

ATB

[mousehunter22]

Hi

Dont pack it in M8. :eek:

ATB

Well this is the 3rd time its happened and i just cant afford to keep chuckin money away like that:(

[Tetley]

Well this is the 3rd time its happened and i just cant afford to keep chuckin money away like that:(

Hi,

Well, how about going to war on the problem?

OK, so you have a few fish left - yes? - you need to treat them, you need a QT tank - dont have to be glass - any thing that is plastic and food safe will do.

Get Zeus to advise how to treat. Leave tank fallow (no fish) but any thing else is fine for a period of 6-8 weeks, you will eradicate the parasite.

Any new fish QT before introduction - out come happy Lee. :)

ATB

[mousehunter22]

Hi,

Well, how about going to war on the problem?

OK, so you have a few fish left - yes? - you need to treat them, you need a QT tank - dont have to be glass - any thing that is plastic and food safe will do.

Get Zeus to advise how to treat. Leave tank fallow (no fish) but any thing else is fine for a period of 6-8 weeks, you will eradicate the parasite.

Any new fish QT before introduction - out come happy Lee. :)

ATB



This is the third time id be leaveing the tank fallow!!!! It must be leaveing some sort of embrio in my LR as for treatment im doing so at the mo ive removed all my corals and ive reduced the salt in the tank to 1014 at the advise of Eric (thanks for your time Eric) so it's a wait and see moment.

The only other option i can see is to strip the tank completely dry the rock out and start totaly from scratch!!!

[Tetley]

This is the third time id be leaveing the tank fallow!!!! It must be leaveing some sort of embrio in my LR as for treatment im doing so at the mo ive removed all my corals and ive reduced the salt in the tank to 1014 at the advise of Eric (thanks for your time Eric) so it's a wait and see moment.

The only other option i can see is to strip the tank completely dry the rock out and start totaly from scratch!!!

OK M8,

But what about the fish, you treating them? - how long have you left tank fallow before in past?

Get Zeus to advise.

ATB

[mousehunter22]

First time i left it for around 7 weeks then the second time i left it for more like 9 weeks,the only thing i can think of is its the same LR thats been in every setup ive had????

[Tetley]

First time i left it for around 7 weeks then the second time i left it for more like 9 weeks,the only thing i can think of is its the same LR thats been in every setup ive had????

OK,

I have sent you a pm - read the link.

If in any doubt PM Zeus. I guarantee you, if you follow the advice to the letter, you will eradicate the parasite. Any devation, might result in the problem rearing its ugly head again.

HTH

[fishie]

got a brand new 30watt uv filter if you would like to borrow for a couple of weeks pm me

[Zeus]

Does anyone know if the whitespot parasite can survive the ammonia,nitrite,nitrate cycle of a tank??????

Hi,

The answer is yes and no.

Yes the Tomonts on the rock, coral , Hermit shell etc can survive ammonia and nitrite as can the Trophonts on the fish. This is what makes Whitespot a ****** to deal with as we can only attack them at the free swimming disassociation and infection stages. It's also these stages that would be killed by ammonia and nitrite if the Trophonts detach and Tomonts hatch during the cycle. Hence yes and no. (However since the Trophonts are on fish and the fish would probably be dead then that's pretty much academic, I only mention it for completeness.)

I understand your frustrations but what you have to remember is that although inverts, rock, sand, pumps (although the Tomonts don't seem to liek plastic or acrylic) do not host Whitespot they can harbour the Tomonts, which is the reproduction phase of the parasite. So that nice new Acro you just bought COULD be a Whitespot "bomb".

Now I know that it's going to be difficult maybe even impossible to properly quarantine such light loving, harder to keep corals but you can take a simple precaution when buying inverts and that's to make 100% sure that the retailer does not keep fish in along with the inverts or if they have a systemised setup, as so many retailer do, that fish are not present anywhere in the system.

That said I believe the greater risk is from frag, sand and algae swapping among the community. Given that the vast majority of our fellows take a rather blaise attitude to Whitespot (remember most blame water quality for their woes) it's easy to see how Whitespot can be unknowingly perpetuated. This is a much more difficult problem to resolve as fixing it would mean a total change of attitude and understanding of Whitespot, and Velvet, among the community as a whole. How many posts have you read that read "oh I moved some rocks" or " I left my lights on too long" or "my skimmer broke and now my fish have Whitespot"? This has to, indeed MUST change of there is to be any end to the Whitespot scourge.

Anyway I digress, sorry, back to your issue. What have have to do is leave your tank without fish for 31 days at least. During this time do not add anything, not sand nor coral nor invert. The cycle of C. Irritans is 28 days plus 2 days to find a hosts after this you tank will be Whitespot free.

Cure the fish you have and make sure that you complete any medication you are using, do not let up on the medication even if the fish "look better". As your Doctor would advise "complete the course." Remember the 28 day cycle, Trophonts could be detaching and Tomonts hatching looking for hosts during this time. If you let up and even one of the wee ******s, a Theront, gets a host you are back at square one. Remember when the Theront burrows in and becomes a Trophont cyst it's pretty much impervious to outside influences.

When all this is done be vigilant when buying any new livestock, particularly from a new LFS, one you haven't used before, and obtaining livestock from other reefers. Have a quarantine tank set-up ready and use it to isolate as many new acquisitions as possible, remember quarantine is not just about disease control, and trust your judgement on the rest.

I hope this is of use to you and good luck.
Campbell

[mousehunter22]

As always thanks very much zeus your knowledge and information is second to non.

However if i do lose all my fish this time it will be the end of fish keeping for me its so sickening watching them die like this and not to mention the financial cost,so once again thanks for your advise.

[stevieh]

lee i am so sorry, the only thing i can say is next time take it slow,keep hands out of the tank, IE catching fish and moving rocks i think this is were it started with them Moorish chin up mate

[dollydip]

:grouphug:hang in there mate dont go giving up we neeed you mate

[Tetley]

As always thanks very much zeus your knowledge and information is second to non.

However if i do lose all my fish this time it will be the end of fish keeping for me its so sickening watching them die like this and not to mention the financial cost,so once again thanks for your advise.

Come on M8, we need someone to "look up to" (LOL)

Seriously Lee, If there is ANYTHING I can do, say the word, and I will help, I am sure others will as well M8.

ATB

Tets.

[ROB]

Come on M8, we need someone to "look up to" (LOL)

Seriously Lee, If there is ANYTHING I can do, say the word, and I will help, I am sure others will as well M8.

ATB

Tets.


We all agree with this I am sure,

Good people that you can regard as a m8 are far and few these days please stick around,

you would be the first to offer help as you have in the past,

Rob.

[fishface]

hi m8 l ,ve had white spot more times than l can remember but never lost fish to it, take fish out raise temp to 80 -84 which will make cycle quicker if they can not find fish then they will slowly die normally about 6 wks try putting fish back but with out tangs as they seem very susptibly to white spot if you have never had white spot for years put in a regal tang after quarentine and 9 out of10 times they get white spot where from any bodies guess, my lfs says more corals and cleaner shrimps keeps it away who knows alan don,t give up try diff fish:confused::confused: