Something funny going on ????

[Shrapnel]

Hay Guys I am after some help please?

My tank seems to behaving differently! I have checked all water perameters and have not over fed etc.... but something I feel just is not right????

Fist problem
I have a leather coal, that until yesterday was beautiful and very big and pretty!
It seems to have gone a little funny! Please have a look at the pictures I have attached at the bottom. Can anyone tell what happening with it?

Second problem,
I have a kenya tree, that keeps acting peculiar also. It is normally very large and a cream colour, but seems to ave shrunk and gone a greeny type colour???

Third Problem
Also I have white spots on my live coral! I do hope that it is not the dreaded white spot! But again I have attached pictures at the bottom!

Over the last week we have performed a water change. We have also brought a blue tang a week ago and 2 blue leg crabs 9 days ago. We hve recently brought and added a new skimmer from ebay, it had been used but before we used it, we cleaned it out using boiling water.

All the livestock looks fine and seems to have no problems. I am a little bit concerned and worried! Can anyone help me please? Thanks

[cl0wn]

doesn't look anything too wrong to me. leather and kenya tree look to be shedding a mucus layer, (they do this periodically), just keep an eye on them, they may need some flow pointing at them, to help. white spots on the rock just look like a bit of calceroius algae die off. check alk and calcium levels and post them up.

[Shrapnel]

I have to get the Calcium Test kit tomorrow for them as ours has ran out. But will be sure to grab one and do it straight away.
You know when you just think something not right? The hammer coral I have as well hasn't opened up today. After hearing that the blue tangs are prown to white spot and then this all happening it just worried me. If the blue tang we have, has got white spot would it affect the corals? we are just going to try and catch it and have a look at him to make sure it hasn't.
Thanks for the help!

[reefergeek]

Not been funny but folk should read up on stock before buying it most lfs are just after cash, the regal if it has got w/s will not affect the corals or invertebrates. How big it the tank and what lighting have you got on it as it doesnt look very bright to me, The leathers will just be shedding mucas its a part of their growing phase and will happen quite regular

I would leave the regal alone and not ty to catch it as doing this will only stress it out even more, just try to have a look to see if it looks like w.s have a look on google images loads of pictures under there with fish with it

[Shrapnel]

I appreciate what your saying. We had read up before hand about them and checked the fish before we got it just in case, I prefer to ask questions on here as I know your all very good at keeping marine fish and know a lot more than us as we are knew to this, its nice getting your support and advice as you all have experience.

The pictures looks really dark as the I have used the 3Gs Iphone and have no flash on it, so the pics don't look bright, so that's my fault.

The tank is a Fluval Venezia 190 Tank. It has really bright lights Fluval 24watt light .. Its one of the brightest i believe.

Just checked the tang and it had evidence of white spot as well! Which im not pleased about :(

Do I need to treat the whole tank as a pre caution?

[reefergeek]

only thing you can do if it is confirmed it qt the whole stock, Regals are the worst for w/s and wouldn't recommend one to anyone, 24w t5 if its the std ones that come with the tank it should just have two tubes in if this is the case no good at all for anything other then soft corals at a minimum i would put 3 white t5s in and 1 blues even better a 6 tube unit will be able to keep most corals then

[Tangman]

Hi a 190 litre tank is to small for a Tang take it back to the shop and buy something that is easier to keep as tangs are not for newbys. They are noted for whitespot and can wipe out all the fish in your tank, bloody LFS all they see is cash in the till there should be a law about it. Twiggy

[Shrapnel]

Yeah we have 2 of the t5 lights, and a blue one too. What does qt mean? Quarantine?
My partner was talking about putting another light in there two but doesn't know how its going to squeeze in, but now you have said that i think he is going to try harder to pop one in!
The regal has gone to toilet heaven, there was no way that I was going to leave that in the tank, when I got it out to have a look it jumped out the net on the floor 3 times!
I knew we should not have got that fish, I am annoyed at myself for not listening to the advice given to be honest!

[ROB]

Try to avoid treating the tank at all costs as most WS treatments will kill your coral and critters if you have any, a quick question did the white bits on the rocks start after you introduced your tang if so then it will be the tang scraping the coraline of and leaving white rock on show no bother with the rock,

as said don't worry about corals they are what we call sulking they do it from time to time it's there way of cleaning themselves, leave the regal for now and keep a close eye on it I am sure if its just gone in it may be just a bit stressed,

Rob.

[Shrapnel]

Hi Twiggy!

you know they never asked us a thing to be honest! she is no longer in the tank, like I said before when I got her out to have a look at her, she jumped out the net onto the floor a few times and did not look too good after! I have flushed her now, although I did call the fish place back up and have a word with them and they was really unhelpful!
Its not our normal shop we buy from, it was one recommended to us and with it being quite a posh popular place I would have expected better customer support! Just feel fobbed off now and let down lol Oh well its all about learning I guess!! Thanks for your help !
We are going to put another t5 light in, just hope my leather and kenya hurry up and shred now and start looking as pretty as before!

[reefergeek]

Sorry about the regal if i was you i would of took it back to the lfs and put him where the sun dont shine lol, Keep to soft corals with your lights much easier to keep and you dont have to be so focused on calc,alk,mag theres loads of nice soft corals about just have a look at h2o corals they have some nice ones in

kev

[Shrapnel]

Thanks Kev! If I had my way too I would have lol ....
We will have a look now on H2o see what available etc as you have advised.
The spots did start on the coral after we got the tang actually.
I am just so scared of loosing the tank to white spot as we had it with a tropical tank we had and it completely wiped the whole thing out! It was really upsetting. I get quite attached to the fish as daft as it sounds!
Cheers for the info again kev!

[reefergeek]

One thing i would of done of made sure it came to a fast end then it suffering in the sewers they can live quite a while out of salt water poor bugga

With trops all you would of done is to raise the temp had a bad spell of it myself but only lost around 10% of the stock

[Shrapnel]

It was not looking to good after bouncing across my fall several times and the cat chasing it. Im Sorry :(

[Guest101]

Yeah we have 2 of the t5 lights, and a blue one too. What does qt mean? Quarantine?
My partner was talking about putting another light in there two but doesn't know how its going to squeeze in, but now you have said that i think he is going to try harder to pop one in!
The regal has gone to toilet heaven, there was no way that I was going to leave that in the tank, when I got it out to have a look it jumped out the net on the floor 3 times!
I knew we should not have got that fish, I am annoyed at myself for not listening to the advice given to be honest!

SO because YOU made a mistake and never research the fish before you went and bought it, then that fish deserves to die!!

[reefergeek]

At the end of the day a mistake has been made and i am sure they will do more research and pay more attention to lfs just after lining their pockets, regals also get some white spots when stressed which is not w/s, As mentioned that fish min tank size was 4ft. There are some good links on the site about fish Peter aka Clown can help you out there but always feel free to ask away no such thing as a daft question

kev

[Johnboyminster]

Yeah mate mistakes are made and just listen to everything told on here and follow it.

I'd say get a bigger net ;) and read read read... only bad things happen quickly remember.

Some people rely on LFS advice and don't think tank size John remember that, no need for the harshness...

[michael.]

Friendly, friendly folks

[reefergeek]

Dont let this put you of Lfs there is a few good ones out there

[Guest101]

Yeah mate mistakes are made and just listen to everything told on here and follow it.

I'd say get a bigger net ;) and read read read... only bad things happen quickly remember.

Some people rely on LFS advice and don't think tank size John remember that, no need for the harshness...

I wasnt having ago about him buying the fish we all make mistakes and buy fish that are not suitable for our tanks,
I was having a go about him flushing it because he made a mistake and bought it. He killed a fish for no reason other then his lack of knowledge, what was wrong with just bagging it up and taking it back to the shop.

[reefergeek]

Thats what should of been done but although its a sad thing to happen and the fish will suffer in the sewer for a while theres no point in getting upset or irate about it, All we can do it point out the error of their ways and hopefully they will understand and not let it happen again

[Guest101]

Why! Why should we just sit here and "oh well never mind you didnt know any better, dont do it again" surley anyone with any sort of common sense knows they should take it back and not kill it,

Its not as if this person hasnt dont this before, bought something not knowing anything about them.

Have a look at the threads that he has started nearly all of them are "I bought this today can you tell me what it is" now if he hasnt learnt his lesson after the first few times then he aint going to change.

I aint saying this to be nasty im saying this so that you lot stop saying its ok when its not just so that there is no arguing on this forum.

[reefergeek]

I have learnt all you can do is give advice the best you can this is not to say they take any notice like the lad who put 11 fish in to his tank the same day in a 400 ltr tank with 20kg of live rock or the women who kept putting stock in to her tank even though i told them they were heading for a tank crash her stubbornness never gave in and what happened in the end lost 7 fish.

No point in getting worked up or having an argument as it gets you nowhere sure they will get fed up of wasting money soon or the lfs will cotton on

[Johnboyminster]

No one said it's OK... plus one the above..

[Johnboyminster]

I wasnt having ago about him buying the fish we all make mistakes and buy fish that are not suitable for our tanks,
I was having a go about him flushing it because he made a mistake and bought it. He killed a fish for no reason other then his lack of knowledge, what was wrong with just bagging it up and taking it back to the shop.

Got a point..

[Tangman]

Keeping marines is a big learning curve and is totally different from freshwater fish, this is why people fail with marines and as said some LFS look out for the new marine keeper as this is where they can make a killing out of these inexperienced folk.They sell them fish that are wrong for there system and it dies so the person goes back and buys another one and not having the experience of keeping these fish this one dies and so it goes on. It will never stop as fish are available in every LFS and there is no law stopping them buying them when they dont know how to look after them, but what can be done is throught forums like this one who will offer free advice to new keepers and even some will go to there homes to show them what they need to do. It all boils down to if this new marine keeper listens to what he or she is being told as most do but there are odd ones who dont and this is where the problem lies. So if you are stuck and not knowing what to do ask on here and we will put you on the right track. Everyone has made mistakes even me who has been keeping marines for over 30 years have made a few. Twiggy

[ShyTalk]

I see Johns' point though, bad decision buying the fish...ok, been there done that...and by listening to my lfs not asking or researching fully myself, but then to flush the fish when it could've simply been returned is bad, really bad imo!

It is so exasperating reading threads like this on here and any of the other forums, sure its a learning curve, but its a curve that's killing a lot of fish for no good reason, it wasn't bad luck, it was an infection, it sounded like bad handling & ignorance to me, & yet everyone says "ah well you know for next time" like you just bought the wrong tub of flake!

Even newbies know to dispatch a fish as humanely and quickly as possible, Johnboy had to do it the other day, sure it was using a hammer but at least it was over in a second, it wasn't letting the poor sod bounce around the carpet and letting the cat play with it before flushing it down the pan!!

BAD BAD BAD!

[reefergeek]

Have you thought it could be a wind up and there reeling you in ? As i said no point in going on about it nothing can be changed now so think we should move on

[michael.]

closed until OPs Ip has been checked.

[cl0wn]

closed until OPs Ip has been checked.

no issues i can find, mike.

[michael.]

ok well then lets reopen it bud, now reopened, thanks pete, keep it friendly everyone.

[Shrapnel]

Hi guys, I have just read all the comments here. I did not realise I had caused such an argument!

At the end of the day I am a new Mariner! I do not know the half of what you guys do and this is why I have joined the site, to seek help and advise! Some people make bad decisions and this perhaps was one! We all learn from our mistakes and in particular I have with this one!

I did take the message offensive, however it was my choice and I recognise it was a bad one, should you look at the message it also said that after trying to catch him out of the tank he jumped out the net and on the floor a few times and didn't look good anyway after. This is not me trying to prove it was the right decision though. . . . .

I'm not perfect and don't claim to be either and this is all very brand new to me! Its nice to see I have support from some of you and I appreciate that! Sorry if its upset you guys. Lesson Learnt!

Sherralea

[michael.]

Hi Sherralea, no worries, please keep us up to date, we do want to help and sometimes it is possible to misunderstand written posts, it is great to have you onboard, I hope you continue to ask questions, many thanks.

[Shrapnel]

Hi Micheal, I will do I cant do this on my own! ;) I need you all.

Like I said before I dont know very much at all about all this, I have learnt quite a bit with tuns more to learn!

I Have really valued the support I have had when asking questions thank you :)