Toadstool Leather > Help Please

[H17E5H]

Hi,

My Toadstool leather has been closed since yesterday and wondered if it could be soemthing major? Usually it's fully open and flowing. I've noticed the temp in the tank has risen to 26.5°c could this be the reason? The pluse xenia are open and doing well :confused:

All major params are at 0

Would this rise in temperature cause any other adverse effect on the fish? They seem to be happy at the moment.

:help: :help: :help:

[mikk1301]

Hi,

My Toadstool leather has been closed since yesterday and wondered if it could be soemthing major? Usually it's fully open and flowing. I've noticed the temp in the tank has risen to 26.5°c could this be the reason? The pluse xenia are open and doing well :confused:

All major params are at 0

Would this rise in temperature cause any other adverse effect on the fish? They seem to be happy at the moment.

:help: :help: :help:

toadstools are renowned for being mardy,it shuts down sheds a mucus layer then 2-3 days later sometimes upto 7days its right as rain

[cl0wn]

spot on mikk, just make sure there is adequate flow to help the leather shed.

[Aquandy]

It'll been fine, my large finger is sulking at the mo seems to-do it every two weeks like clockwork but always recovers.

[H17E5H]

Right then i'll leave it be. I'll point the powerhead just over it to help it shed.
Cheers guys :bigthumbup:

What about the temperature, will that be okay?

[cl0wn]

good idea with the powerhead.

that temp is nothing to worry about.

[moorish]

just leave it a couple of days to let it shed,temp nothing to worry about.derek

[H17E5H]

Cheers for that lads :bigthumbup:

[poz1966]

3915
Are mine just shedding these have been like this over a week now and my water is ok and plenty of flow :confused::confused::confused: even the little baby ones are the same:mad:

[johnl69]

3915
Are mine just shedding these have been like this over a week now and my water is ok and plenty of flow :confused::confused::confused: even the little baby ones are the same:mad:


I cant see any mucus being shedded for yours, it normally looks like a bad sunburn peeling,

What are your parameters? (actual readings)
Is that a Nem or LPS thats also in the pic as this could be stinging the corals.

[Aquandy]

My moneys on the nem being to close to the leathers, can you move any of them?

[poz1966]

My moneys on the nem being to close to the leathers, can you move any of them?

yes will move nem back up the tank,
the nem only moved near them yesturday though?:confused:
and they have been like it over a week now, always doing it but not this long and never all together the baby ones are at the other side of the tank as well.

my water is fine and my other corals are fine:confused::confused:

[Tangman]

Hi Paula you are better moving the coral rather than the nem as it will only go where it wants, if any coral is near a nem it will get stung and not open out properly. Nems will only settle where they feel ok so dont move them to where you want them as they will only move again. HTH Twiggy:D:D

[poz1966]

Hi Paula you are better moving the coral rather than the nem as it will only go where it wants, if any coral is near a nem it will get stung and not open out properly. Nems will only settle where they feel ok so dont move them to where you want them as they will only move again. HTH Twiggy:D:D


Hi will i be able to move the mushrooms off the rock they are on in the state that they are in at the moment please because it looks like the nem is wanting that rock???

Have these mushrooms had it because they have been like it a while now before the nem moved anywhere near them??

thanks Paula

[Aquandy]

For how long Paula, leathers can be fussy and some can sulk for a while before re opening? Have the clowns bothered them at all? How low down in the tank are they? You might find if you relocate them higher up they may open up? They don't appear to be dying off, just sulking so perhaps a higher placement may help to improve them?

[poz1966]

For how long Paula, leathers can be fussy and some can sulk for a while before re opening? Have the clowns bothered them at all? How low down in the tank are they? You might find if you relocate them higher up they may open up? They don't appear to be dying off, just sulking so perhaps a higher placement may help to improve them?

no clowns not bothered them but a fish only has to brush past them and they do this but this time been over a week now,
Can i take them off the rock???

[Aquandy]

You can, but with care and they should re-attach themselves again, but be best to move on the rock which they are already on if you can? If it were me then I would try and move them and the rock too, save having to re-attach and annoying them further.
I removed one once and it left a little on the rock still, now have 5 buds growing off the same piece of rock :eek:

[poz1966]

You can, but with care and they should re-attach themselves again, but be best to move on the rock which they are already on if you can? If it were me then I would try and move them and the rock too, save having to re-attach and annoying them further.
I removed one once and it left a little on the rock still, now have 5 buds growing off the same piece of rock :eek:

Thanks Andy :)

[poz1966]

You can, but with care and they should re-attach themselves again, but be best to move on the rock which they are already on if you can? If it were me then I would try and move them and the rock too, save having to re-attach and annoying them further.
I removed one once and it left a little on the rock still, now have 5 buds growing off the same piece of rock :eek:

just moved them as the rock was too big to move anywhere.
put a elastic band around the foot and rock untill they hopefully reattatch:confused: and moved them a little closer to the top, one of them did leave a bit on the rock so might have some babys:rolleyes:

FINGERS CROSSED

[Aquandy]

Well good luck. Thats how most people attach frags using elastic bands so good choice there.
You probably will find in a few weeks that whats been left will form new buds.
Keep us updated and hopefully they'll pull through?

[johnl69]

When a leather "sheds its skin it looks like this

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k48/johnl69/P9042669.jpg

however when they are dieing they dont shed they just wither and start to smell (A bit like sweaty socks) and bits of them start to go black.

I think yours will be ok are you running fresh carbon as there may be some chemicals that ers upsetting them.

[poz1966]

When a leather "sheds its skin it looks like this

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k48/johnl69/P9042669.jpg

however when they are dieing they dont shed they just wither and start to smell (A bit like sweaty socks) and bits of them start to go black.

I think yours will be ok are you running fresh carbon as there may be some chemicals that ers upsetting them.

NOO mine is not doing that:eek:mine are look cheesey.shall i put some Carbon in one of the external filters as they are running empty with only pollywool in at the moment??

Should i always use carbon??and change reg?

[poz1966]

Shall i get them out ????:confused::eek:

[johnl69]

NOO mine is not doing that:eek:mine are look cheesey.shall i put some Carbon in one of the external filters as they are running empty with only pollywool in at the moment??

Should i always use carbon??and change reg?


Yes I would put some in now, put it in the external loosely between 2 layers of polywool, usually after 48hrs carbon is exhausted and can turn bacterial,

Carbon does not need to be used 24/7 just as and when needed you just put it in and then throw it in a few days, if you then think it needs more then replace and repeat:D

[johnl69]

Shall i get them out ????:confused::eek:

No need unless they smell, lift one out and give it a sniff

[poz1966]

Yes I would put some in now, put it in the external loosely between 2 layers of polywool, usually after 48hrs carbon is exhausted and can turn bacterial,

Carbon does not need to be used 24/7 just as and when needed you just put it in and then throw it in a few days, if you then think it needs more then replace and repeat:D

Thankyou for that, hubby doing it right now :D glad we had some Carbon as shops are closed and would have been worrying all night:eek:

[StAndy1970]

Like has been previously mentioned, its normal for them to close down so just be patient and it will return to its former glory. Mine does it every two weeks, and the longest its been closed is 10 days.

[Aquandy]

Plus they are going to be sulking for a few days now anyway since moving them. If you've kept leathers before you can normally tell when they are moulting or dying off. They sulk, form a glossy waxy coating over themselves which they then cast off. Some sulk more than others i've found. My large finger does if i touch it or sometimes a day or two after a water change, but always comes back.
Like John says give one a smell, if ok place it back in and just be patient, sure they'll pull through?

[poz1966]

:eek: WOW put the carbon in and they were changing by the minute baby ones are fully open and the two big ones are getting there:D:D

what could it have been???
THANKS for your help
Paula;)

[fishie]

its the water how many times do you need telling

[Aquandy]

Great news Paula, well done and here's to them doing well.

[poz1966]

its the water how many times do you need telling

WOOOO:jawdrop:

[Tangman]

WOOOO:jawdrop:
Good lass well done give as much as you get. Twiggy:D:D

[fishie]

Good lass well done give as much as you get. Twiggy:D:DWell thats a realy helpful comment is't it i am only just surprised you dont offer to go out and buy them a whale shark to go in their tank. This thread starts with a sensible reefer asking about a normal problem and then this thread is hijacked by a reefer that is always having problems and WHY cos they dont listen. You should do your job not allow personal thoughts to interfer or step down !!

[johnl69]

Well thats a realy helpful comment is't it i am only just surprised you dont offer to go out and buy them a whale shark to go in their tank. This thread starts with a sensible reefer asking about a normal problem and then this thread is hijacked by a reefer that is always having problems and WHY cos they dont listen. You should do your job not allow personal thoughts to interfer or step down !!


If you had read the thread properly you would have seen that the original poster had got the advice they needed, so whats wrong with another reefer asking a question about the same problem on the same thread? NOTHING. the thread was only hijacked when you came along and gave your sycastic remarks as you always do. If you have a problem with a thread or someone not taking your advice then there is a very simple solution "dont post in there threads"

john

[treeboa]

my worries would be initially when you came to this forum you came in with not small problems but very large problems http://www.reefcorals.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=10175, advice was offered and tendered, advice which in the main you totally ignored, and still it seems feel you should ignor, you purchased the tank it seems as a full setup, yet from your postings have failed to do even the most basic research on the web, and there is lots and lots of relevent info out there and easy to find, i have read a postings on a fair few things that basic reading would give you the answer too, please dont give it, oh im blonde, that is demaning to blondes in general and of the many i have met few if any are thick

[Tangman]

Well thats a realy helpful comment is't it i am only just surprised you dont offer to go out and buy them a whale shark to go in their tank. This thread starts with a sensible reefer asking about a normal problem and then this thread is hijacked by a reefer that is always having problems and WHY cos they dont listen. You should do your job not allow personal thoughts to interfer or step down !!
Hi Fishie you have PM please read it and understand what it means. Thanks Twiggy

[poz1966]

my worries would be initially when you came to this forum you came in with not small problems but very large problems http://www.reefcorals.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=10175, advice was offered and tendered, advice which in the main you totally ignored, and still it seems feel you should ignor, you purchased the tank it seems as a full setup, yet from your postings have failed to do even the most basic research on the web, and there is lots and lots of relevent info out there and easy to find, i have read a postings on a fair few things that basic reading would give you the answer too, please dont give it, oh im blonde, that is demaning to blondes in general and of the many i have met few if any are thick

FIRSTLY i have followed the advice i have been given.
also i THOUGHT that this i what this forum was for to ask for advice
the blonde thing WAS A JOKE
and you need to CHILL OUT

[poz1966]

Well thats a realy helpful comment is't it i am only just surprised you dont offer to go out and buy them a whale shark to go in their tank. This thread starts with a sensible reefer asking about a normal problem and then this thread is hijacked by a reefer that is always having problems and WHY cos they dont listen. You should do your job not allow personal thoughts to interfer or step down !!

WOOOOO i do listen and i am following the advice given .Get off my back fishie

[Tangman]

Can we all calm down as the thread will be closed, so please discuss the question asked. Twiggy:D:D

[treeboa]

as a joke then the amount of times you use it to explain yourself it becomes less funny each time you post it

yes a forum is for advice, however basic reseach in a given subject would glean you much, fragging corals for instance, i have just googled the expresion `fragging corals`, there are 10 plus pages there, as a very very relative newcomer to this game why do you feel the urge to run when you are just learning to walk ??, your tank, is what 2 months old, and of those two months you have not had a week without one problem or another, yes thats what a forum is here for, however you now are going down roads that even some experienced reeefers fear to tread, no way is a tank that is as un matured as yours, nor has as many problems still should you be looking at fragging corals, a nem on the move is unhappy, that says a lot, a toad thats in the way yours is behaving is unhappy, its either slothing or somethings sent it that way, water conditions is just one of the things that can cause it, and you do have water problems by your own admission, one thing i could never understand, when i saw you in the shop while you were posting about the problems in your tank you were more interested in purchasing livestock ??, more ooo i want i want, i dont know if you did actually purchace cuc at that time but that and that alone should have been priority number one

[johnl69]

Anywho. Have you done the water test yet Paula?

[poz1966]

as a joke then the amount of times you use it to explain yourself it becomes less funny each time you post it

yes a forum is for advice, however basic reseach in a given subject would glean you much, fragging corals for instance, i have just googled the expresion `fragging corals`, there are 10 plus pages there, as a very very relative newcomer to this game why do you feel the urge to run when you are just learning to walk ??, your tank, is what 2 months old, and of those two months you have not had a week without one problem or another, yes thats what a forum is here for, however you now are going down roads that even some experienced reeefers fear to tread, no way is a tank that is as un matured as yours, nor has as many problems still should you be looking at fragging corals, a nem on the move is unhappy, that says a lot, a toad thats in the way yours is behaving is unhappy, its either slothing or somethings sent it that way, water conditions is just one of the things that can cause it, and you do have water problems by your own admission, one thing i could never understand, when i saw you in the shop while you were posting about the problems in your tank you were more interested in purchasing livestock ??, more ooo i want i want, i dont know if you did actually purchace cuc at that time but that and that alone should have been priority number one

SORRY FOR ASKING WILL GOOGLE IN FUTURE that way i won't get slaged off.
I HAVE BOUGHT LOTS OF BOOKS on corals but they do not have anything about fragging in, it was only a thought anyway if i was told that the water had to be right first anyway i would never do it.
i wont bother

[poz1966]

Anywho. Have you done the water test yet Paula?

JUST going to buy some more kits in a minute i will IM you when i get the results.
many thanks
Paula

[poz1966]

its the water how many times do you need telling

WHY DOES IT ALLWAYS TURN NASTY WHEN FISHIE DOES A POST????

sounds abit fishie to me:D

[treeboa]

thats the girl, look read and when you dont understand something then post explaining why you cant get your head around something

you dont need to shout by the way, i can read your replies without a problem, unless of course that is your usual response to issues

[treeboa]

WHY DOES IT ALLWAYS TURN NASTY WHEN FISHIE DOES A POST????

sounds abit fishie to me:D


can i ask then why you feel the need to contantly wind the situation up

[poz1966]

can i ask then why you feel the need to contantly wind the situation up


What?? ME??????